The Gift of Giving: Why I Do Favors and Don’t Expect Anything in Return

Yesterday, I had a phone call with a complete stranger. I offered some advice and perspective, which he found invaluable. At the end of the call, he asked, “Now, what can I do for you?”

The Gift of Giving: Why I Do Favors and Don't Expect Anything in Return
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If he could see me, he would have seen me shrug. If I lived in the 1950s, I would’ve said, “Awww, shucks, I dunno…”

The truth is I like helping people. It makes me feel good to give. I don’t do it in order to get anything back, which makes questions like that feel awkward.

It seems that the more you help people, the more people want to help you. It’s human nature, I suppose, to want to reciprocate. But really the best reason to do this, to be generous with your skills and knowledge, is because the giving is the gift.

The best way to build a reputation

I’ve heard a lot of people recently ask me how to build a platform — how to attract an audience and keep them coming back. I’m sure there is more than one way to do it, but the very best that I’ve found is simply this: help people.

If you do, it will eventually come back around to you, even when that’s not your intention (maybe especially then). And when it doesn’t, you get the satisfaction of helping someone, which in my experience, it’s its own reward.

So what I told the guy was this: “Nothing. Just listening to me and being willing to take some advice is a gift in itself.”

And I meant it.

That may not be the case for everyone, but I like teaching and coaching. It gives me life. And maybe that’s the lesson here:

Find what you love to do, what you would do even if you didn’t get paid, and do it.

But don’t you have to get paid?

Of course, we all have bills to pay and many of us have mouths to feed. So this kumbaya concept of unreciprocated generosity sounds nice — as an ideal.

But how does it work in the real world? Good question. I’m not really sure, except to say that it’s a little bit of a mystery.

What I do know is that when you help enough people, when you put your work out there in the world and try not to be stingy with it, the world has a way of rewarding such generosity.

It doesn’t hurt to be a little shrewd and not let yourself get taken advantage of, but given the alternative of only doing quid pro quo kind of work that requires someone to return every favor you give, I’d rather be generous.

Given the choice between being Don Corleone and Mr. Rogers, I pick Mr. Rogers. Maybe you should, too.

One little caveat

You can’t help everyone. Not if you set out to make a difference in people’s lives. That’s the catch with this way of doing favors without expectation.

In order to help people, I have to say no sometimes. A lot, actually. It’s hard, and I hate it, but I remind myself that when I say no to someone, it means I can say yes to someone else.

And if everyone got a yes, that’s just the same as everyone getting a no, because I can’t possibly help everyone who needs it. I just don’t have enough hours in the day. Nobody does.

So, if I were to break this down, I would give you these three rules for doing favors:

  1. Help as many people as you can. It will come back around to you.
  2. Expect nothing in return. Help them just because you care and don’t obsess over the results.
  3. Don’t try to help everyone. That’ll make you crazy. Set some rules, like a maximum time commitment for when and where you help people, and stick to them. And get comfortable with saying no.

Follow these rules, and they should get you started. You just might be surprised by how much people talk about you as a result of your generosity.

How do you respond when people ask you what they can do for you? Share in the comments.

105 thoughts on “The Gift of Giving: Why I Do Favors and Don’t Expect Anything in Return

  1. I’ve learned that when others ask how they can help me, the worst thing I can say is “aw, nothing.” Their help is a gift that I must accept. So I do. And then I return the favor.

    1. I agree Matt. Unfortunately givers need to learn the art of taking. It doesn’t come naturally for us but in the taking we have the opportunity to bless someone else’s selfless giving to us. Yes, what comes around goes around. Give and take is the stuff character is made of.

      1. “Thanks for asking. I’ll let you know.” — that is usually my default response.

        Then I actually spend a few moments after the call or meeting thinking of ways they can help.

        Maybe an introduction to someone? A guest post on their site? A guest post on my site? A discount on a product? You name it…

  2. I never know how to answer that question either Jeff. But there’s a saying from the Tao Te Ching that’s gone mainstream, “What comes around goes around.”
    I’m a grower, so I sow seeds and I’m always surprised when they grow.

  3. Interesting. I think the main thing here is that we need to live what we preach. If we preach about giving, we need to be givers, especially toward those who know. For people of faith, Jesus said when someone asks, we should give. That’s a staple in his “Sermon on the Mount.”

    I know it’s good business sense to say “no” often. And the word “no” has to be applied sometimes, obviously, but it shouldn’t be the norm for those who truly want to help others. Especially people of faith. We should rather always tilt toward saying yes.

    I’ve seen people’s platform’s shrivel over time because they rarely gave and only took. Or they just gave to those who had a equal metrics. This, to my mind, is selfish. That’s fine if someone wants to be selfish. But for those who don’t, it’s something to be challenged with.

    In answer to your question, my measuring stick is to tilt toward a “yes” always . . . and if I can’t say “yes” to something specific, I try to offer an alternative that I can say yes to. This all gets back to treating others the same way we want to be treated. Matt. 7:12. So it seems to me, anyway.

    1. I agree, Frank. I say no when saying “yes” would basically be a lie. But saying no just to create demand or scarcity? No thanks. I’d rather serve.

  4. I am guilty as charged of asking “Now how can I help you?” … Mainly because if someone is giving of their time, I would like to be able to respond, not because I feel obliged, but because to me, it’s a way of fully appreciating the other person and then, making the time equally valuable to them.

    But, I also understand when you ask such a generalized question, it’s hard for the other person to reply. So, instead I change it up to sometime along the lines of “If you ever need support or someone to talk with in the future about any project or just for advice on (xyz) you’re more then welcome to contact me.”

    That way it takes the pressure off the original “giver” to come up with something on the spot, AND it keeps the conversation and relationship going… I think there is something to be said for people who want to reciprocate, because they see the value in what the giver has offered.

    Just my two cents … Great article thou. Thought provoking as to how we respond to the gift of other people’s time and wisdom.

      1. @artenzie:disqus It takes the pressure off, AND by clarifying WHAT you can help with, might trigger something they do need help with … In my line of work (marketing) I will say something like “Well, if you ever need someone to brain storm on online marketing ideas, let me know!” that way, it gives them a certain thing they can ask for, when they face that problem they might think “hey! didn’t she say she did marketing?” … keeps the doors open for connecting more 🙂

  5. Convicting. Definitely something I struggle with at times especially when working on my dream. I find in my deepest heart I’m asking, “What’s in it for me” when really I need to be asking, “How can I bless this person without requiring anything in return?” Such a difficult lesson to learn and I’m still fighting through the renewing of my mind in this area.

    1. William, the universe works in strange ways and I have been surprised by opportunities that seemingly came out of no where. When I paint someone’s loved one countless hours go into that work and often I see the involuntary emotional response it evokes. Right there, that one instant of helping someone attain a pleasing moment is priceless. See the monetary compensation does not even come close to what I have invested, but that good deed makes my emotional meter go off the charts. I have given up on waiting for people to ask me if they can do something for me, because I have learned that when you are doing nice things for others somehow nice things are done for you by people you don’t even know.

      It’s strange how it works, but it has helped me become a better artist, a better person and someone who really loves to make others feel good.

  6. Amen, amen, Jeff. Your post reminds me of Winston Churchill’s quote, “We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give.” Awesome!

      1. Winston Churchill was AWESOME, so I’m not surprised. Thanks for responding, Jeff!

  7. Oh so true, Jeff. I agree with Matt McWilliams, too. Allow people to help you. And I know this, if you are a giving person and do your best to serve when and where you can, a “no” is not a rejection. It’s not hurtful. A “no” is simply, “I can’t help you right now.” I appreciate that candor. I would rather someone help me when they can really give themselves over to it rather than agree to help and fall short. And I find that when I help others, people flock to assist me in my needs. And yes, it is a mystery. God just works that way.

  8. Great advice, Jeff. When I struggle with focus or being overwhelmed, I look to what’s best for relationships and for preferring others. Never has this been a mistake. The only mistake in this is not doing it often or soon enough.

  9. Its true Jeff and I subscribe him. But other thing its you other person share a thing in someone that in the first moment he or she think could trust and this person take profits for here without even say a thank you and treat you like a “dummy” this is the opponent of the trust who was broke.
    Thank you Jeff and best regards to all

  10. I am one who will say yes to a request very quickly, but in the last few years I made a necessary change. My project is growing in all areas and, I find it helps to never say yes, until I step back and think about it and check my schedule. Lately, instead of one on one’s I find it necessary to send people to my website, ask them to join my enews mailing list, or listen to one of my audios. I too live by the motto of giving and expecting nothing in return, and at the same time I need to pay my household bills and have a life outside of my work. It is a daily challenge and maybe times a gray line on the yes and no, but I love what I do!

  11. I learned a few years ago that the number of people who want your help rises exponentially with the number of people you actually help. My “trick” to being able to serve people without feeling like I have to serve everyone is my “stray cat fund”. I purposefully set aside a certain number of hours to focus on helping others. Whether it’s volunteer work or pro bono consulting or anything in between. Like any budget, I have a limit and when that limit’s reached for the month, I get to be intentional about the choices I make regarding whether or not to do more, or put folks on a waiting list for the following month.

    And if someone asks how they can help me, I tell them. That is, if there really is anything I believe they can help with (a referral is usually the simplest, easiest ask). Sometimes, I am grateful to not have a need, but years in mastermind groups have taught me the power of the ask. People like to help as well as being helped, so when I can ask for help I do. Plus, it’s good practice for me to ask. I’m one of those folks who never asked for anything for years, trying o do it all by myself. I’m still working on it, but I’ve learned the power and value of making the ask.

      1. Hey Carrie! Good to “see” you. And yep. Someone once remarked about how helping everyone is like the old lady with all the cats that can’t afford to feed herself. That’s when the idea of a stray cat fund came to mind. 🙂

  12. Two questions: When you have an obvious need the favor requester could help you with, do you put it out there? How do you proactively ask others for help? I share your philosophy about being helpful. The hard part is learning to ask when I need the help.

    1. That’s the hard part for me too – asking for help. I guess I try to do whatever I can before asking for help (a form of pride maybe). Sometimes I stress myself needlessly about it then when I realize I can’t do a particular task I finally humble myself and ask.

  13. Jeff, this does NOT surprise me. You are always giving back. It means so much to folks. I wait to be like that. I already am in some ways. i.e. giving critiques away for free to anyone and everyone and trying to answer questions of newbie authors. Thanks for all you do. Now when someone asks me what they can do for me, I just tell them to pay it forward. That’s what they can do for me. 🙂

  14. I’m glad you’re a Giver, Jeff!

    I recommend the recent book titled GIVE and TAKE by Adam Grant. His research (and his synthesis of other people’s research) is that people are either “Givers” “Takers” or “Matchers” and that the most successful people are “Givers” but so are the least successful people!!! “Takers” and “Matchers” tend to fall in the middle of “success”in any area. The difference between the successful Givers and the unsuccessful Givers is the most successful Givers tend to easily balance Self-interest/self-care/self-motivation with “Other-interest/other-care, whereas the unsuccessful “selfless” givers get burned out and distracted from their own goals/interests/needs/priorities.

    Very interesting book. I highly recommend

  15. Jeff, I have to say I have to disagree with you in terms of seeing reciprocated help being offered. I paint portraits of people and pets and have given a lot of artwork in the form of giveaways and donations to charitable causes throughout my entire career. This year when I added a “Pay What You Want” section on my website, with an additional note that 10% of whatever is sold goes to charity, I was hoping that all those who I have helped in the past would at least help me spread the word. Nothing- nada -zero….

    There have been only a handful of people who have ever asked if they could do something for me in return. They are outnumbered by those who have taken advantage of my generosity or who just take, never to be seen or heard of again. Even with social networking, which requires a simple button click of “share” , a simple gesture as spreading the word of what I do, seems to be too much to hope for. It has left me rather baffled to say the least and at times deeply disappointed. Now if my portraits would be butt ugly than perhaps that could be considered a reason, but my artwork has received prizes, been published in books and even was included in a documentary.

    My advice is don’t help anyone in hopes of getting a return. Help because this world needs more people who can be selfish, kind and generous. It creates good Karma and is simply just the right thing to do. When you know that your knowledge and skill has done something positive for someone else, you have enabled them. In return that person might do something good for someone else, just don’t expect it to be you. 🙂

  16. Like Enzie says, selflessness is necessary to keep the best attitude possible. Like her, as a photographer, I have experienced some lack of reciprocity from the many that I’ve pleased, weddings, senior portraits, family, etc. but, I can say that at least I got ‘thank you’s’ and for some people that means something. Sometimes we don’t make it clear that we’re expecting something, so they don’t know what to do, it’s not their fault but our own. I have implemented the rule that I have to educate my friends (don’t do this with my actual clients though, paying customers can write their reviews but I don’t tell them how or where to) that they can go into a review forum of my liking and write a review for the work I did for them, and tell them that it means gold to me, so they (not all) go in and write a review that helps me in the long run but didn’t require a lot from them and still is invaluable to me. I make sure I tell them I saw their review and thank them 1,000 times more. I think that works out for me, but I have to spell it out to them, or else, they forget and just go on their merry way thinking a good ‘thank you’ was enough.

  17. love this philosophy. That’s where my heart lies too. Would be NICE to make money doing what your heart dictates, but it usually doesn’t work out that way. 🙂

  18. Love this! It’s so true that if your basic motive is to make money you usually end up empty handed but if your heart is in it and you do it because you want to and love doing it then you get rewarded not only through the good feeling of helping someone but financially too. What goes around comes around. Invest in good karma and good karma will come your way.

  19. Like you, when I help someone I don’t expect anything in return. I was brought up that way. With people I know or not, I respond by smiling, saying there’s no need to reciprocate then walk away.

  20. This is so true, and I have this happen a lot at my job. I’ll do something that isn’t required by me and people will ask how they can thank me for it. But I just tell them that I helped them because I wanted to and don’t expect anything in return, which I don’t. Making someone else’s day a little better is good enough.

  21. I love this 🙂 I do find people are suspicious however when one helps them and expects nothing back in return. I offer free marketing tips for creative businesses and quite often am asked why do I not charge for all my advice especially in forums/social media/blogging etc. I do but only after I’ve helped someone a few times:) in response to your question I tend to say I’m doing ok right now thanks but let me get back to you when i need something 🙂

    1. We work in the same industry and I do that as well… I’m constantly reaching out and offering brainstorming sessions with folks on their marketing strategy. Surprisingly, it’s leads to more work, even when that wasn’t my goal. Either they eventually end up hiring me, or refer me because they know of someone who needs my help… It’s one of those unplanned “win-wins” …

  22. Here’s an awesome quote that summarizes my feelings about this blog. “We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give.”
    ― Winston Churchill

  23. Good advice Jeff. When people approach me, I am happy to help. As you pointed out though, sometimes I do have to say no. But I try to do so as kindly as possible!

  24. Great advice, Jeff. Like you, when people ask that question, I usually respond similarly to you. I’m not expecting anything so I’m really not prepared to answer that question. In our family, we grew up in an atmosphere of not expecting to be repaid for something we wanted to share or give. But the hardest lesson for me has been learning to say that two-letter word “no.” 🙂

  25. Great piece and practice, Jeff. I tell people that others have helped me and ask that they spin that forward in their own way.

  26. Tips 1 and 2 come naturally to me–it’s #3 I’ve always struggled with.

    Something that helped me in this area was when I realized that saying yes to one thing means I am inadvertently saying no to another. Now I try to set clear boundaries and give myself more slack.

  27. I am seeing the return of my giving and it actually takes me by surprise. I love to help people get unstuck in their lives and careers that I don’t even flinch when they reach out to me. Last week my inbox was filled with referrals from people that I helped for free.

  28. I struggle with #3 but I am learning, albeit slowly, that I still have to take care of me, too and that sometimes means I have to say “No”. I get a lot of satisfaction out of being able to help people get where they want to go. My only request? They do the same for someone else.

  29. I really hate it when I do something for someone and they have trouble accepting my help or when they feel like they immediately have to do something for me. Not only does it feel good to give but it’s also a true Christ lifestyle. In my devo time, I’m sipping on a little C.S. Lewis. I’ve just been reading what he has to say about unselfishness. First, in the process of defining it, he mentioned how women think of unselfishness as going out of their way for another, whereas men think of unselfishness as not being of any trouble to others. Each sex thinks the other is tremendously selfish. Mr. Lewis also wrote that if we live for others with the focus on how good it makes us feel or look, we are definitely not unselfish. He says we should not be thinking of ourselves at all, but the service should simply be an outgrowth of our love for God and our obedience to Him. It’s an interesting area to consider with many more ramifications and conditions than we would think at first blush. As we give and develop giving as a lifestyle, as you obviously have, I think being generous and unselfish becomes synonymous with who we are and an expression of who God is as well.

    1. Thanks for sharing that Denise. I ditto everything you and Jeff just said! Selflessness comes from a decision. It’s not for us. Jeff, I resonate with all your thoughts about giving. What happened to paying it forward?

  30. Thank you for sharing this – and for living it. This is why I choose to be part of your tribe. I am going to try this strategy out at a big publicity event this weekend where I will have the chance to meet potentially thousands of people face-to face. Wish me luck – I’ll have t let you know how it goes!

  31. My response depends on where I’m at. Sometimes it’s like you said, helping you was enough and what I wanted to do. Other times, if something big is going on, I give my request. It all depends on the situation.

      1. Very rarely. It’s not that I do something with the expectation to get something back but it can help the person who you just helped to give back to you. And if there’s a special project lined up, why not make the ask?

  32. Thanks for sharing this. I couldn’t agree more–this is the philosophy I have tried to live by for the past few years and I can’t even begin to describe how much it has changed my life.

  33. When someone gives me the “Oh, you don’t have to do that!”, I say, “Yeah, I know, that is what makes it so much fun!” When they ask how they can reciprocate, I tell them that it will all come around someday, and they will have an opportunity to give. It might be to me or to someone else, it really doesn’t matter who it is.

  34. This post really resonated with me, Jeff. The gift really is in the giving. It brings me no greater joy than to have the opportunity to be generous and be a blessing to someone else each day whether in some small way or in a bigger celebratory way – depending on the circumstance and occasion. You are an example to us all of a life lived generously. Thank you!!

  35. In long term it really helps your business if you are not all business all the time, but help people here and there without expecting anything. People will have a positive image about you.

  36. Jeff, you’ve just done it again! Everytime I open your email you confirm something I’ve developed over the years. Early in my Christian walk I was disciples by a gifted man that helped me to not only grow in my faith, but also as a man. He taught me to stay teachable no matter what. When I tried to thank him and asked what I could do for him he’d always smile and simply say, ” pass it on”. So that’s the secret to being a successful giver. Making sure to pass the tools you work with on to someone else so they in turn can do the same. That’s how ministries grow, churches grow, and yes tribes grow. And since I started learning from you I have met so many others who follow you, too! Thanks so much for sharing your tools with us and for always being a blessing!! We are all richer for having known you. God is smiling at you as I write this…just wait til you see what He has for you!!

  37. Trying to help everyone is futile. i definitely agree with that.

    With our limitations as human, we can’t help everyone because we don’t have the energy and sometimes people just don’t need our help.

    It’s better to focus on who we want to help because we will improve the lives of others significantly and who knows – maybe you efficient act of helping can topple down the domino.

  38. Jeff, I love the comparison of Mr. Rogers and the Godfather. The Godfather did favors for people, but always with the expectation that they would someday need to repay. (“Someday, and that day may never come, I’ll call upon you to do a service for me …”) I’m not sure I’d want to be in debt to the Godfather!

  39. I usually tell them to pray for me. I tell them to pray for my spirit and health. @jeffgoins:disqus this sentence stood out, ” I remind myself that when I say no to someone, it means I can say yes to someone else.” Powerful words. Sometimes I get caught up in trying to please people and this leads to a dinner plate stuffed with obligations. People will continue to add dinner rolls to that plate and eventually we have to leave the dinner table. I am tired of being burnt out. I will learn to stay no and be confident in my decision.

  40. Hi Jeff; those ar all great suggestions. I find myself oftn asking someone that same question how can i help you. and something to remember is just being there a kind friendly voice for people who are struggling can be a big gift. and you are so right the universe seems to reward the generous. take care, max

  41. I love this so much that I’m tweeting it. There is the balance (which you’ve probably covered elsewhere) that sometimes people only value your advice if they’re paying for it (those in creative industries who are asked for a free evaluation experience their advice being disregarded or devalued, for example).

    However, I think because you have over time built a platform that is so immensely valuable, and you do offer optional paid courses (Tribe Writers fan right here!) that when you do behave in a generous manner, people value it for what it is: truly priceless input.

  42. I see a worldview here…if you give and serve as much as possible with no srtings attached, you will likely receive and be blessed with no strings attached. Not sure how it works, but it just seems to.

  43. Fantastic post, Jeff. Giving is certainly euphoric, blissful, and fulfilling. Is there a certain balance you maintain terms of time you spend helping others to time dictated to you and your own personal projects?

  44. Hi Jeff, found myself reading your post after asking my sister for a small favour. Which I must say is rare and on asking her she brought up a favour that she had asked of me and I had refused. However I was unable to do her that favour as I was at work. Then she said I will still do it but you will owe me one. I replied to say that I never do favours and expect anything in return, which is true so I said forget it I don’t want you to help me. I think it’s such an awful trait to have and over time I had just forgotten that she was like that. Now I feel we have fallen out again because it’s always me who contacts her first any time and she won’t reply. How sad,I’m pleased I’m not that type of person. I would help anyone if I possibly could. Sorry for going off the track of your story.

  45. What is wrong with asking for something in return when you are doing a lot of work? I’ve been helping a friend for a long time with English grammar and writing but I feel I need to ask for money or I’m being taken advantage of. I feel really bad asking for it though. But editing, reading, writing, and proofreading college essays is something people pay a lot of money for and though my friend got all A’s in his history class last semester, I feel like I’m being taken advantage of.

    1. be nice only to a certain people who knows how to appreciate something when his given a favor! only to a person who give value what you’ve done to them. of course nothing to expect in return but it doesn’t mean that we don’t like to be valued! even just saying thank you!

  46. People don’t appreciate free help. Only when there is a price tag associated to the help, does it have value. This is a good way to become somebody’s mule. Maybe the author doesn’t have elderly relatives who require constant assistance, or a toddler grandchild whose parents don’t want to grow up. That’s when you truly get tested.
    When I was young, I learned to get my own car, Those who gave you a ride either resented it, or used their generosity as a means to get something from you they wanted. Sorry, but it’s the truth. And often times, your generosity will be critiqued by those who are not contributing toward the cause. Simply because you are doing something to help, but that help is not up to another’s standards. People are selfish. Look out for yourself.

  47. Hi Jeff! My heart has changed so much throughout the years with regards to giving. I feel the greatest pleasure of helping people who I don’t even know, but why do I feel so awful when it comes to giving to people within my circle of friends & family? I’ve given so much of myself to people I know & no longer have the heart to. I feel like it’s obligated & I can’t do it anymore. How do I say no without losing my sanity? I appreciate your advice.

  48. Hey mate I need a favor big time. Would you mind telling people to search Junga on Kickstarter and start spreading the word? Thanks mate. Jez

  49. Totally disagree. People who do things and do not seek reciprocity are doormats and enablers.

    Sure there are some circumstances when helping is safe and proper but many people are takers who to lazy and/or mean to do the work themselves or employ a professional so they look for a sucker to do it for them for free, knowing they will not do anything in return.

    You have rights to reciprocation, if you don’t that means you do not value yourself, your time and your effort.

    ‘No good deed goes unpunished’.

    1. This is 100% on point. After you’ve excruciatingly spent 15/20 /30/ hours per week. They don’t like outcome,, fail to pay you or even reimburse you for expenses, claim they did not get the expected money return on your NOW free work; deplete all your resources claiming all the while they are Christians. LAZY, non-producers who will never JUST DO IT themselves. WE DO HAVE RIGHT TO SAY NO sooner not later. and when they never reciprocate.. just MOVE ON QUICKLY…YOU HAVE VALUE AMEN Brother

      1. Wow, you’re deeply cynical. That’s not entirely how the world is supposed to work. One should develop the spirit of discernment in determining genuine need. You can paint everyone with the same apathetic brush and expect change. You’re equating everyone on a spreadsheet analysis of unit cost.
        That’s ungiving, apathetic and unChristlike.

  50. I love this but would suggest one tweak – instead why don’t you try saying “what you can do for me is find an opportunity to help someone else out like I am for you and in return ask them to do the same? Aka “pay it forward”. That way you are settIng up a chain of events to hopefully spread like a wave of goodwill through many people who may need help from someone else.

  51. Jeff, since I discovered Michael Hyatt and Jeff Goins, I also have discovered my VOICE as you say. My book is called FINDING GOD THROUGH POETRY, FROM FAITH TO FACT. I also have written a second book called FINDING GOD THROUGH SCIENCE, FROM FACT TO FAITH, plus recording three CDs. One CD is called “Poems to Inspire,” another is “The King is Coming, the Trumpets Sound” and finally, “Discover the Future, God’s Timelines to the End of the Age.”

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